Comments on: Zoho for distributed publication http://www.owenkelly.net/270/zoho-for-distributed-publication/ culture, synthetics and the web Wed, 07 Jan 2009 09:53:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Lane Lester http://www.owenkelly.net/270/zoho-for-distributed-publication/#comment-352 Lane Lester Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:24:09 +0000 http://www.owenkelly.net/2007/03/13/zoho-for-distributed-publication/#comment-352 OK, I found that the zipped backup had content, so I took the plunge and upgraded WP to 2.1.2. The upgrade went smoothly, and sure enough, using the Code tab made it possible to add your article. Thanks for the help, but no thanks for providing yet another blog that I think I need to follow. [grin] Lane OK, I found that the zipped backup had content, so I took the plunge and upgraded WordPress to 2.1.2. The upgrade went smoothly, and sure enough, using the Code tab made it possible to add your article. Thanks for the help, but no thanks for providing yet another blog that I think I need to follow. [grin]

Lane

]]> By: Lane Lester http://www.owenkelly.net/270/zoho-for-distributed-publication/#comment-351 Lane Lester Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:09:16 +0000 http://www.owenkelly.net/2007/03/13/zoho-for-distributed-publication/#comment-351 Thanks for the suggestions, Owen. Regretfully, I was unsuccessful. I didn't try the direct db manipulation because I didn't know how to do it. I installed the Text Control plugin, but a bunch of fiddling didn't produce any effect. So I decided to take the plunge and upgrade to WP 2.1.2, but again I hit a roadblock. When I tried to back up the db, all I got was a zero-byte file after following WP's instructions on the use of phpMyAdmin. That was too scary, so I'm throwing in the towel for now. Lane Thanks for the suggestions, Owen. Regretfully, I was unsuccessful. I didn’t try the direct db manipulation because I didn’t know how to do it. I installed the Text Control plugin, but a bunch of fiddling didn’t produce any effect. So I decided to take the plunge and upgrade to WordPress 2.1.2, but again I hit a roadblock. When I tried to back up the db, all I got was a zero-byte file after following WordPress’s instructions on the use of phpMyAdmin. That was too scary, so I’m throwing in the towel for now.

Lane

]]> By: Owen http://www.owenkelly.net/270/zoho-for-distributed-publication/#comment-348 Owen Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:04:10 +0000 http://www.owenkelly.net/2007/03/13/zoho-for-distributed-publication/#comment-348 Hello Lester, I think you are right that the problem lies with the WordPress wysiwyg editor. If you are using WP 2.1 then the page for writing posts has two tabs, labelled Visual and Code. You need to select the Code tab and enter the javascript there, otherwise the less-than and greater-than brackets will be escaped, and the html may also get messed up. You mention using the HTML button so I think you are probably still using WP 2.0 or WP 1.5. I have tried with another blog I have access to that still uses WP 2.0 and the HTML editor replaces the line <script src="http://writer.zoho.com/public/owen/Zoho-for-distributed-publishing/script"></script> with the meaningless <script /> which I presume is what you are seeing. After some experimentation I found two methods of making the script tags work in 2.0, neither of which may suit you, since they may wel seem more work than you would wish for the end result. The first and simplest is to enter the tag into the post in the database itself, after the rest of the post had been saved in Wordpress. This neatly sidesteps the issues raised by TinyMCE, the WP text editor. The second method is to install the <a href="http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/TextControl" title="complete control of text formatting options" rel="nofollow">Text Control Plugin</a> which allows you to switch off all WP formatting for a specific page. To <a href="http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Javascript" title="Using Javascript" rel="nofollow">quote from the codex</a>: <blockquote>If you are having trouble with including Javascripts inside a post, use the <a href="http://dev.wp-plugins.org/wiki/TextControl" title="complete control of text formatting options" rel="nofollow">Text Control Plugin</a> which allows you to control on a global or per post basis the ability to turn off WordPress' automatic formatting features which can quickly turn code into something readable instead of executable. Set the options on the post that you will be using the Javascript on to have No Formatting or Markup or nl2br and No Character Formatting. You may have to experiment to get it to work. As a reminder, when using the Text Control Plugin, you must first Save and Continue Editing the post in order to see the Text Control Plugin options. If you choose No Formatting, your post's text will run together, so you will have to add paragraph tags and other HTML tags in order to format your page as WordPress normally does that for you.</blockquote> I hope that helps. I am very aware that what we have at the moment is an alpha version of distributed publishing - an early alpha version - and I shall be working to figure out all the problems around the idea - at both the sending end and the receiving end. If this idea is to work then its implementation needs to be as easy as posting to a blog, and it certainly isn't that yet! Hello Lester,

I think you are right that the problem lies with the WordPress wysiwyg editor. If you are using WordPress 2.1 then the page for writing posts has two tabs, labelled Visual and Code. You need to select the Code tab and enter the javascript there, otherwise the less-than and greater-than brackets will be escaped, and the html may also get messed up.

You mention using the HTML button so I think you are probably still using WordPress 2.0 or WordPress 1.5. I have tried with another blog I have access to that still uses WordPress 2.0 and the HTML editor replaces the line
<script src=”http://writer.zoho.com/public/owen/Zoho-for-distributed-publishing/script”></script>
with the meaningless <script /> which I presume is what you are seeing.

After some experimentation I found two methods of making the script tags work in 2.0, neither of which may suit you, since they may wel seem more work than you would wish for the end result.

The first and simplest is to enter the tag into the post in the database itself, after the rest of the post had been saved in Wordpress. This neatly sidesteps the issues raised by TinyMCE, the WordPress text editor.

The second method is to install the Text Control Plugin which allows you to switch off all WordPress formatting for a specific page. To quote from the codex:

If you are having trouble with including Javascripts inside a post, use the Text Control Plugin which allows you to control on a global or per post basis the ability to turn off WordPress’ automatic formatting features which can quickly turn code into something readable instead of executable. Set the options on the post that you will be using the Javascript on to have No Formatting or Markup or nl2br and No Character Formatting. You may have to experiment to get it to work. As a reminder, when using the Text Control Plugin, you must first Save and Continue Editing the post in order to see the Text Control Plugin options.

If you choose No Formatting, your post’s text will run together, so you will have to add paragraph tags and other HTML tags in order to format your page as WordPress normally does that for you.

I hope that helps.

I am very aware that what we have at the moment is an alpha version of distributed publishing - an early alpha version - and I shall be working to figure out all the problems around the idea - at both the sending end and the receiving end. If this idea is to work then its implementation needs to be as easy as posting to a blog, and it certainly isn’t that yet!

]]> By: Lane Lester http://www.owenkelly.net/270/zoho-for-distributed-publication/#comment-347 Lane Lester Fri, 30 Mar 2007 12:43:08 +0000 http://www.owenkelly.net/2007/03/13/zoho-for-distributed-publication/#comment-347 I tried to insert the code in a post on my WordPress blog the-word-doctor.com. When I first posted it, it worked as advertised. However, I then edited it to provide a more complete introduction, and now the article won't display. It seems to be a problem with WP's WYSIWYG editor stripping out the code. I click the "HTML" button, insert the code you provided, and then click "Save." But all of the code gets stripped out, except for a short bit that screws up the whole blog page. I'm going to have to forget this for now, unless someone can send me the solution at llester at-symbol the-word-doctor dot-symbol com. I tried to insert the code in a post on my WordPress blog the-word-doctor.com. When I first posted it, it worked as advertised. However, I then edited it to provide a more complete introduction, and now the article won’t display. It seems to be a problem with WordPress’s WYSIWYG editor stripping out the code. I click the “HTML” button, insert the code you provided, and then click “Save.” But all of the code gets stripped out, except for a short bit that screws up the whole blog page. I’m going to have to forget this for now, unless someone can send me the solution at llester at-symbol the-word-doctor dot-symbol com.

]]> By: Kelly-Zoho co-innovation in real-time « Co-producing Innovation http://www.owenkelly.net/270/zoho-for-distributed-publication/#comment-294 Kelly-Zoho co-innovation in real-time « Co-producing Innovation Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:55:25 +0000 http://www.owenkelly.net/2007/03/13/zoho-for-distributed-publication/#comment-294 [...] few improvements to the present Zoho Writer. And he sees the implications as far reaching. From his blog post : I found something that completely surprised me, and left me wondering what exactly was going on. [...] [...] few improvements to the present Zoho Writer. And he sees the implications as far reaching. From his blog post : I found something that completely surprised me, and left me wondering what exactly was going on. [...]

]]> By: Zoho Blogs http://www.owenkelly.net/270/zoho-for-distributed-publication/#comment-284 Zoho Blogs Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:20:59 +0000 http://www.owenkelly.net/2007/03/13/zoho-for-distributed-publication/#comment-284 <strong>Distributed Publishing with Zoho Writer</strong> Owen Kelly has come up with a great post on how Zoho Writer can help publishers publish their work online easily. He has a very good set of points on how easy the embeddable script code that Zoho Writer provides can help achieve this as against oth... Distributed Publishing with Zoho Writer

Owen Kelly has come up with a great post on how Zoho Writer can help publishers publish their work online easily. He has a very good set of points on how easy the embeddable script code that Zoho Writer provides can help achieve this as against oth…

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